For eight years, Chris Kluwe was one of the most controversial players in the NFL. But he’s also been a life-long gamer, and a huge fan of World of Warcraft and League of Legends. In this wide-ranging interview, MMORPG.com contributing columnist Morgan Ramsay spoke with Kluwe at length about whether esports are real sports, the state of GamerGate, and what’s next for him after football.